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Everybody Hates JD Vance And His Stupid Butthair Face

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What have we been saying?

That JD Vance is an unlikeable pile of human butthair and mendacity, a fundamentally unrelatable, off-putting, and repellent man who’s likely to bring nothing to the Trump/Vance ticket? That normal people see him and they’re like “EW MORE LIKE HILLBILLY SMELLEGY”?

That all this data was readily available, and that all one had to do was look at Vance’s 2022 election to the Senate to see that Ohio Republican Governor Mike DeWine ran 10 points ahead of him in his own re-election race, which suggests there’s a whole group of Ohioans who fucking haaaaaaaate that bastard? (Maybe some of these voters from Appalachia! Which JD Vance doesn’t pronounce like an actual person from Appalachia.)

But no, Donald Trump was cocky. Donald Trump was so sure he was headed for a landslide win, so he listened to his idiot fucking sons who begged him to pick Vance. “Dad! Dad!” said Junior, as he tossed a giant pile of human butthair back and forth with Eric in the backyard. “Can we keep it? Can we keep it?” And his father said yes.

Well now we have more data on Trump’s Vance pick. Want to see it?


PREVIOUSLY!





Yesterday on CNN, data guy Harry Enten revealed the surprising truth: Giant piles of human butthair are less popular running mates than all the other running mates that ever lived.


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Enten explained:

“Frankly, I don’t really understand the pick,” Enten told Erin Burnett on Tuesday’s OutFront. “And apparently, neither do the American voters because we take a look at the net favorable rating for JD Vance. That’s the favorable minus unfavorable. It’s in negative net territory. Look at that. Negative six points.”

Enten says he looked at every election since 1980 and could not find another veep selection with a net negative rating.

“He is the first guy after, immediately following a convention, a VP pick, who actually had a net negative favorable rating that is underwater,” he went on. “The average since 2000 is plus 19 points, JD Vance, making history in the completely wrong way.”

Enten added that vice presidential nominees are “usually very popular” when they are first selected. “But in this case, he’s dragging Trump down.”

No other running mate since 1980 has had a net negative.

We mentioned that Ohio race in 2022, but Enten went one further, noting that Vance was the worst-performing Republican in all of Ohio that year.

Because everybody fucking hates him, because he sucks, because he’s gross.

To explain more fully how bad JD Vance is, here is Kentucky’s Democratic Governor Andy Beshear, who knows something about Appalachia, talking on CNN last night about what a phony Vance is. Beshear is, of course, being mentioned as a finalist for Kamala Harris’s running mate.

“J.D. Vance is a phony, he's fake. I mean, he first says that Donald Trump is like Hitler, and now he's acting like he's Lincoln. The problem with JD Vance is he has no conviction, but I guess his running mate has 34."

Zing, as they say about zingers!

JD Vance may be Trump’s worst business decision ever, and that’s saying a lot, considering how Trump is a really bad businessman.

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Enten added that vice presidential nominees are “usually very popular” when they are first selected. “But in this case, he’s dragging Trump down.”

“J.D. Vance is a phony, he's fake. I mean, he first says that Donald Trump is like Hitler, and now he's acting like he's Lincoln. The problem with JD Vance is he has no conviction, but I guess his running mate has 34."
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Mother Teresa Pleads Guilty to Ponzi Scheme

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I should probably have put quotation marks around “Mother Teresa,” but the risk of being sued by the real one seems pretty low at this point.

On July 16, Johanna Garcia pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit wire or mail fraud, for which she faces up to 20 years in prison. According to the Miami Herald, this is the third guilty plea resulting from the actions of MJ Capital Funding, which operated out of a Pompano Beach strip mall and yet managed to steal almost $200 million. (The Herald notes that the entire strip mall is worth about $8 million, which I thought was a nice touch.)

MJ Capital claimed to be providing “merchant cash advances,” short-term business loans at high interest rates. It needed capital to provide the loans, of course, and solicited investors to provide the capital, promising high returns. But as you have certainly guessed, very little of that money was ever used for business loans. That also meant the company wasn’t making money, and was keeping early investors happy by paying them with money coming from new investors. That’s the hallmark of Ponzi schemes, which almost by definition cannot last forever and so should be high on any list of things not to do. And yet people keep doing them. See generally, “Things That Fail: Ponzi Schemes, Water Escapes” (Nov. 19, 2020) (linking to many other examples of both).

In fact, the Herald reports that this Ponzi scheme was ramping up at the very same time other Ponzi schemers were being convicted in the high-profile 1 Global Capital case. That entity was also based in Florida (though apparently not in a strip mall), and was also offering “merchant cash advances.” Undeterred, Garcia and her cronies kept running the same scheme using the same term to describe it, apparently thinking they would get different results.

Speaking of marketing, NPR provides a helpful link to the now-archived MJ Capital website, specifically the “About the Founder” page devoted to the story of Johanna Garcia. You will be surprised to learn that Ms. Garcia came from “humble beginnings” to found her first business, MJ Tax Services and More, which became the parent company for many other “MJ” entities, including not just MJ Capital Funding but also MJ Enterprise, MJ Realty, MJ Remodeling, and MJ Lounge (described as “coming soon” but probably won’t be). Yet despite owning and operating all these very different entities, Garcia also found time to give back to the community.

In fact, it was really all about the community, according to the website. She noticed that people in the community “faced many obstacles, but fortunately, Johanna was there with a solution to help.” Eventually, she “began to collect a portion of the dividends for directing her clients in the right path, but she never did it with the intention to profit financially.” No! The intent was to help the community. In fact, so strong was this intent that Johanna was “often referred to as ‘Mother Theresa’ [sic] in her community.” According to her bio, at least.

The bio also says that Johanna “has never taken ‘no’ or ‘can’t’ for an answer, which is a direct reflection of her client[s’] reviews” but a little ironic given the guilty plea.

Remarkably, Johanna’s drive to help the community was so strong that she and her co-conspirators started a new Ponzi scheme “[e]ven after MJ Capital got busted by the FBI in the fall of 2021,” according to the Herald. They created at least five new entities (including “New Beginning Capital Funding,” which in a way is an accurate description) and stole over $3 million before that too flamed out.

NPR provides a nice detail on how MJ Capital came to the FBI’s attention. In early 2021, someone created a website that had a similar URL but very different contents: specifically, it accused the company of running a Ponzi scheme. MJ Capital, which was in fact running a Ponzi scheme, not only continued to run it but sued the site’s creator in federal court for defamation, thus making it even more likely that MJ Capital would come to the authorities’ attention. A bold strategy, but also stupid.

Two of Garcia’s associates are already serving time. Mother Teresa will be sentenced in September.

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NPR provides a nice detail on how MJ Capital came to the FBI’s attention. In early 2021, someone created a website that had a similar URL but very different contents: specifically, it accused the company of running a Ponzi scheme. MJ Capital, which was in fact running a Ponzi scheme, not only continued to run it but sued the site’s creator in federal court for defamation, thus making it even more likely that MJ Capital would come to the authorities’ attention. A bold strategy, but also stupid.
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5000 people? 1938 flash mob
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It Doesn't Matter Whether J.D. Vance Fucked a Couch. What Matters Is, It's Out There.

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There are things that can be fact-checked: The sky is often blue—correct. The summer solstice takes place each year on either June 20, 21, or 22—also correct. But some things can’t be fact-checked, mostly because as human beings, we lead interior lives and no one—certainly not the Associated Press—is with us 24/7. That brings us to this week, and the curious case of a Wednesday AP story headlined, “No, J.D. Vance did not have sex with a couch.” By Thursday morning, the story was gone. In the days since Ohio senator J.D. Vance joined the GOP ticket as Donald Trump’s running mate, the rollout has been anything but smooth. The biggest headlines about the Hillbilly Elegy author and former (?) emo, 2000s blogger include his vast unpopularity (he’s facing record-low approval ratings among VP nominees post-RNC), the resurfacing of his 2021 pitch that childless people should lose their voting rights, and now, couchgate—the latest viral political meme that suggests Vance, at one point in his youth, had sex with a couch. Did J.D. Vance have sex with a couch? I’ll answer that with another question: How can you or I or anyone but Vance really know? At a certain point, especially in politics, the truth becomes immaterial—if people are talking about it (in this case, whether you've fucked a sofa), you're losing. But let me back up. A spokesperson for the AP tells me this story didn’t go through the wire service’s standard editing process, and the AP is looking into how it was published. The spokesperson also emphasizes that the piece did not go out on the wire to AP customers. https://t.co/Rk4TbnYYSB — Max Tani (@maxwelltani) July 25, 2024 Couchgate started shortly after Vance was announced as Trump’s VP on July 15, and Twitter began sharing especially weird or illuminating snippets from Vance’s memoir. Some were real, others were fake, but given Vance’s reputation as something of a, uh, quirky (derogatory) guy, most were taken at face value. So, when now-private Twitter user @rickrudescalves wrote, “can’t say for sure but he might be the first vp pick to have admitted in a ny times bestseller to fucking an inside-out latex glove shoved between two couch cushions (vance, hillbilly elegy, pp. 179-181),” plenty of Twitter users were happy to run with this narrative. This week, it reentered the discourse in a major way, spawning bizarre TikTok edits of Vance appearing to lust for bodacious loveseats—all set to Kendrick Lamar’s universal diss track for sex deviants, “Not Like Us.” Other Twitter users have cautioned that Vance should be kept as far from the White House as possible, pointing to photos of its numerous, plush sofas. Some have juxtaposed Vance's, err, time in the sofa with potential Democratic vice presidential pick Mark Kelly’s time in space. A lot is happening! we cannot let JD Vance near the oval office pic.twitter.com/aKEAnaoLBB — Amy A (@lolennui) July 24, 2024 do we think this is her? legit starstruck right now pic.twitter.com/4tb38idIzu — Mike Scollins (@mikescollins) July 25, 2024 By Wednesday, the AP, Snopes, and even the Cut issued denials with bold headlines to the tune of “J.D. Vance Did Not Have Sex With a Couch.” These articles (especially the AP's, which is now offline) then drew their own media coverage—it’s not every day you have the AP investigating whether a politician who could soon be a heartbeat away from the presidency fucked sofa cushions. If I’m putting on my journalist hat for a second, obviously, the AP and these other outlets are fact-checking whether the couch-fucking anecdote actually appears in Hillbilly Elegy. Indeed, that can be fact-checked: It’s not in…

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The Return of the Ojibwe Pony, the Midwest's Native Horse

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On a cold April day in 2022, six shaggy, stocky ponies huddled together in the chill Canadian air, hot breath pluming from their noses. The whites of their eyes and bright face markings stood out against their full, dark winter coats. Their hooves crunched through frost on the hard ground as the small herd was hurried onto a stock trailer.

The horses hardly knew a human's touch, and shifted around nervously as the trailer slid out of the driveway. Usually, their concern would have been warranted: Many of their relatives had been sold at auction and sent to slaughter. But this time was different. The lucky bunch was headed to a forever home where they’d be part of a growing mission to bring back their rare breed: the Ojibwe pony, which had roamed North America for hundreds, perhaps thousands, of years, before being nearly wiped out in the last two centuries.

The six ponies headed to a nine-acre oasis in Spring Valley, Wisconsin, a small town nestled in farmland and forest, about an hour's drive east of Minneapolis. There are fewer than 200 of these animals left; while there are a handful of them scattered from Minnesota to Alabama, most live in Canada. The arrival of these six stocky horses was the first time in more than half a century that the breed set hoofed foot in western Wisconsin.

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While there are conflicting narratives about how long these ponies have lived in North America, their place in Ojibwe culture and history is self-evident, and the six ponies' arrival in Spring Valley would be the catalyst for a local movement to rekindle that long-held spiritual relationship between the Ojibwe people and their spirit horses.

“It's like bringing a family member home,” said Em Loerzel, a White Earth Nation descendant and proud caretaker of the small herd. Loerzel didn’t grow up with horses, but was still, as she puts it, a “horse-crazy kid.” Her uncle, Mark Denning, regaled her with tales of the dark-colored, tiny horses that reached only 14 hands, or five feet, in height. They roamed freely in the forests around his village—until one day, they didn’t.

In the early 1900s, the Ojibwe pony, also known as the Lac La Croix pony, numbered in the thousands, spending their summers in the woods and fields surrounding Ojibwe communities around much of the Great Lakes region. Come winter, the horses helped Ojibwe communities haul wood and nets. While their relationship was practical, there was a spiritual element as well.

“Our ancestors utilized them for all the different aspects of what they offer, not only in the utilitarian way of using them, but for the connection to spirit, and like a family member,” says David Wise, who runs the Native Wise farm in Minnesota with his wife Patra, where they look after two Ojibwe ponies.

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The Wises, Loerzel, and other members of the larger Anishinaabe community spread throughout the Great Lakes region are dedicated to reigniting that cultural and spiritual connection. In 2022, Loerzel and her husband rallied local support to start The Humble Horse, a nonprofit aimed at not just promoting responsible breeding of the horse, but also bringing the horse and their people back together. Their efforts, along with others doing similar work in Canada and the United States, is much needed, considering the tumultuous history of the breed, which was nearly lost altogether.

In the early 20th century, Ojibwe ponies, like the Ojibwe people and other Indigenous communities, faced persecution from settlers and the government. The horses, seen as pests and vectors for disease, were exterminated by the thousands. By 1977, there were only four left, all of them mares. The lonely few were isolated on an island in Lac La Croix, just north of the U.S.-Canada border. Word spread that the Canadian government planned to cull the last remaining ponies, driving the community to an action plan involving crossing borders, traversing ice-covered lakes, and a whole lot of apples.

The Heist

“Don’t believe the movies. The last roundup did not occur many years ago. It did not involve sun-baked young cowboys, sun-baked plains, box canyons, and the like,” wrote journalist John Murrell in 1977. Murrell tagged along with four men hell-bent on bringing the breed back from the brink. The reporter dubbed the operation "the last round-up," but it's more commonly referred to as "the heist."

The group was led by Fred Isham, an Ojibwe man living in Nett Lake, a reservation in Minnesota, who had bought the mares a few years earlier. He had tried to bring them to Minnesota before but had been stopped at the border. Border or not, the trip from the Minnesota reservation to La Croix Village is not easy in any season. The village is only accessible by crossing several lakes, via air, water, or ice. Three years earlier, Isham led a team to bring out the horses via snowmobile, but was stopped at the border and had to turn back. Since, he’d even considered swimming the herd out in the summer. But as the winter months dragged on, the horses became worse for wear, and Isham decided to give it one more go.

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On the cold morning of February 18, Isham, Murrell, and three horse-savvy men from the Bois Forte Reservation began their drive from Minnesota to the Canadian village. The fresh snow would be the least of their worries as they wove a truck and 20-foot trailer over frozen lakes and careened through snowmobile paths closed in by the undergrowth.

When they arrived at the village, the real hunt for the horses began. Villagers joined the search, scouring the woods on foot and snowmobile, searching for the small dark horses through the snow-dusted winter trees. After a long search and a bit of a chase, the horses appeared—all bays with brown coats, black manes and tails, and unique white blazes and stars on their faces—standing calmly in a clearing, happily taking apples from Isham’s hand. Besides manes full of burrs, the horses were well kept. They took easily to being haltered and led, except for one young horse who bucked and reared. As the sun set over the frozen landscape, the four horses, finally loaded onto the trailer, settled in for the journey to their new home.

The heist wasn’t just about the mares, but the breed as a whole. These four horses held the key to bringing back the Ojibwe pony. After settling into their new home in Minnesota, on the land of farmer Walter Saatala, the mares were bred with a Spanish mustang, and slowly, through generations of careful management, the population began to rebound. Saatala would give away or sell ponies to different homes, but a local man named Bob Walker realized there was no official system to keep track of where the horses went or who they mated with. “At a certain point he realized, if we keep doing that, then once again we'll be in a position where we lose the breed,” says Trevor Kirczenow, a breed registrar for the Ojibwe Horse Society, which preserves, protects, and raise awareness about the Ojibwe ponies. “At a certain point, people wouldn't even know what they have.”

Walker was connected with a nonprofit now called Heritage Livestock Canada that promotes the preservation of traditional animals. After learning about the ponies from Walker in the 1990s, back when the organization was called Rare Breeds Canada, they began to recognize the significance of the Ojibwe ponies and started efforts to monitor and protect the future of the breed. They sought and purchased Ojibwe ponies from across the Midwest, bringing them back to Canada to be part of local breeding programs. The wild ponies, once seen as feral pests to be eradicated by the Canadian government, were now under private ownership of a small Canadian community advocating for their protection. Slowly, the effort began to pay off. In 2017, Ojibwe ponies returned to the Lac La Croix First Nation, 40 years after the heist.

Heritage Livestock Canada and their community had the resources and support to rebuild the population, but it meant that the vast majority of Ojibwe ponies alive today live on Canadian soil. Now, the Humble Horse and other Native-owned farms in the U.S. are bringing the breed back to Midwestern Anishinaabe communities.

Spirit Horses

The Ojibwe ponies adapted to survive brutally cold winters with a stocky stature, rock-hard hooves, small fuzzy ears, and an extra nose flap that warms cold air as the animal inhales. Along the way, the horses also picked up a docile personality, and an apparent affinity for people.

“Their personalities are a lot like a Labrador retriever,” says David Wise, who adopted one of Humble Horse’s ponies, Baswewe, or Echo, to help with their own community outreach for Native youth. “They're real friendly. They want to follow you around.”

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Wise thinks that disposition could have something to do with the horse's long history with the Ojibwe people. “I think they've imprinted in their genetic memory that they had a good relationship with people,” he says.

The ponies' origins remain uncertain, however. Based on the fossil record alone, all horses disappeared from North America at the end of the last ice age some 10,000 years ago, and did not reappear until the 15th century, when the Spanish came ashore with European breeds.

There isn’t any hard evidence of the Ojibwe pony being present in North America before then, says Texas A&M University equine geneticist Gus Cothran, who has studied Ojibwe pony genetics for more than two decades. “Pre-Columbian horses, as far as we can see, don't exist.”

Still, there are many people who stand by origin stories learned from their elders. “The old story that's been passed on in Ojibwe language is that the horse has always been here,” says Wise. The ponies are said to have braved the Ice Age with their unique adaptations and independence from humans, feeding on twigs and bark, like deer. Yvette Running Horse Collin wrote her doctoral dissertation at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, on deconstructing the colonial narrative and timeline of horses in Native American communities, including the potential survival of the Ojibwe ponies through the Ice Age. She references not only oral histories and the horses' adaptations, but petroglyphs of ponies from before European contact. Wise points to the little things as evidence, like how his Ojibwe ponies seem to be naturally comfortable around the farm's bison, while their other breeds spook and bolt.

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What’s certain is that the Ojibwe people's relationship with their spirit horses has been highly revered for many generations.

Native Wise and Humble Horse both have outreach initiatives for Native and non-Native youth, bringing kids out to interact with horses, or taking pairs from the herd to the community. “A lot of the issues the ponies face, our Ojibwe people face too,” says Loerzel. “Sometimes for people, it's a lot easier to talk about ponies than it is to talk about humans, and you have this adorable little fuzzy creature acting as an ambassador.”

The benefits of bringing horses back to their roots around the Great Lakes, and to their people, aren’t just for kids. Adults like Loerzel’s uncle Denning, who met the ponies on their outing to Milwaukee in 2022, got to see the animals leave and return in his lifetime.

“That's really, really special to have that moment with the person who was such an important conduit of this knowledge,” says Loerzel. “Without that knowledge, I don't know, would I have even done this?”

Humble Horse and Native Wise focus on building and maintaining community bonds with the ponies, but they also recognize that participating in responsible breeding programs is crucial to the animals' future.

Grandpa Dad and Sister Mom

When an already small population is rebuilt from just four females, preserving healthy genetics and avoiding inbreeding takes diligence. Now, all Ojibwe ponies are registered with the Ojibwe Horse Society, which oversees breeding pairs to make the best genetic matches. Despite best efforts, some unmonitored populations of ponies bred for sale or tourism have led to extensive inbreeding.

In the small pool of ponies, it can be hard to avoid. When Loerzel got her first six ponies in 2022, she received a bonus in the form of a stowaway: One mare was pregnant. Her foal turned out to be a prime example of inbreeding. “He's got a grandpa dad and a sister mom,” says Loerzel. Animkii, meaning Thunderbeing, was born a dark gray with a black stripe down his back and faint stripes on his legs. He won’t be able to breed, but they still love him like family.

Further genetic testing showed the other six ponies, which Loerzel had initially thought might yield some compatible pairs, were all half siblings as well.

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While Loerzel is focused on primarily connecting the breed and people, healthy babies are a happy bonus at Humble Horse, and for the breed as a whole. “We could use any help that we can get,” says Kirczenow at the Ojibwe Horse Society. “Especially people who are able to keep some of these horses, and particularly to keep breeding horses, because that really comes with its own set of challenges,” like finding the appropriate registered genetic match, preventing inbreeding, and all the tedious care that comes with mating, pregnancy, and newborns.

Loerzel is up for it. On April 18, Loerzel made another trip up to Canada to adopt an Ojibwe mare who is the best—if not the only—genetic match for her stallions.

She’s named Asabikeshiinh, which translates to little spider, or little weaver, in reference to dream catchers, which are of Ojibwe origin. “When all seems hopeless, lost, or nightmarish, we can be thankful for the little weaver’s help at keeping those bad dreams at bay,” Loerzel wrote in a Facebook post about the new mare. “They are worth it when all else seems bleak—they are resilience personified.”

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Elon Musk’s transgender daughter, Vivian Wilson, speaks in first interview

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Vivian Jenna Wilson, the transgender daughter of Elon Musk, said Thursday in her first interview that he was an absent father who was cruel to her as a child for being queer and feminine.

Wilson, 20, in an exclusive interview with NBC News, responded to comments Musk made Monday about her and her transgender identity. On social media and in an interview posted online, Musk said she was “not a girl” and was figuratively “dead,” and he alleged that he had been “tricked” into authorizing trans-related medical treatment for her when she was 16. 

Wilson said that Musk hadn’t been tricked and that, after initially having hesitated, he knew what he was doing when he agreed to her treatment, which required consent from her parents.

Musk’s recent statements crossed a line, she said. 

“I think he was under the assumption that I wasn’t going to say anything and I would just let this go unchallenged,” Wilson said in a phone interview. “Which I’m not going to do, because if you’re going to lie about me, like, blatantly to an audience of millions, I’m not just gonna let that slide.” 

Wilson said that, for as long as she could remember, Musk hasn’t been a supportive father. She said he was rarely present in her life, leaving her and her siblings to be cared for by their mother or by nannies even though Musk had joint custody, and she said Musk berated her when he was present. 

“He was cold,” she said. “He’s very quick to anger. He is uncaring and narcissistic.” 

Wilson said that, when she was a child, Musk would harass her for exhibiting feminine traits and pressure her to appear more masculine, including by pushing her to deepen her voice as early as elementary school. 

“I was in fourth grade. We went on this road trip that I didn’t know was actually just an advertisement for one of the cars — I don’t remember which one — and he was constantly yelling at me viciously because my voice was too high,” she said. “It was cruel.” 

Musk didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Wilson and her twin brother were born to Musk’s first wife, author Justine Musk. The couple divorced in 2008, and Wilson said her parents shared custody between their homes in the Los Angeles area. 

Musk, 53, is among the wealthiest people in the world through his stakes in Tesla, where he’s CEO, and in SpaceX, which he founded. He has also become a significant political figure, having endorsed former President Donald Trump this month for another term in the White House. Musk has 12 children, including Wilson. 

Now a college student studying languages, Wilson has never granted an interview before and has largely stayed out of public view. She did, however, attract attention in 2022 when she sought court approval in California to change her name and, in the process, denounced her father. 

“I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form,” she said in the court filing. 

She told NBC News that at the time, she was surprised by the media attention to the court filing, which she submitted when she was 18. She said in the interview that she stands by what she wrote, though she said she might have tried to be more eloquent had she known the coverage it would get. 

Wilson said that she hadn’t spoken to Musk in about four years and that she refused to be defined by him. 

“I would like to emphasize one thing: I am an adult. I am 20 years old. I am not a child,” she said. “My life should be defined by my own choices.” 

Musk threw a spotlight on Wilson on Monday by speaking about their relationship in a video interview with psychologist and conservative commentator Jordan Peterson streamed live on X, saying he didn’t support Wilson’s gender identity. 

“I lost my son, essentially,” Musk said. He used Wilson’s birth name, also known as a deadname for transgender people, and said she was “dead, killed by the woke mind virus.” 

And in a post on X, Musk said Monday that Wilson was “born gay and slightly autistic” and that, at age 4, she fit certain gay stereotypes, such as loving musicals and using the exclamation “fabulous!” to describe certain clothing. Wilson told NBC News that the anecdotes aren’t true, though she said she did act stereotypically feminine in other ways as a child. 

Wilson also addressed Musk’s recent comments in a series of posts Thursday on the social media app Threads. 

“He doesn’t know what I was like as a child because he quite simply wasn’t there,” she wrote. “And in the little time that he was I was relentlessly harassed for my femininity and queerness.”

“I’ve been reduced to a happy little stereotype,” she continued. “I think that says alot about how he views queer people and children in general.” 

In recent years, Musk has taken a hard-right turn into conservative politics and has been waging a campaign against transgender people and policies designed to support them. This month, he said he was pulling his businesses out of California to protest a new state law that bars schools from requiring that trans kids be outed to their parents.

On X, Musk has for years criticized transgender rights, including medical treatments for trans-identifying minors, and the use of pronouns if they are different from what would be used at birth. He has promoted anti-trans content and called for arresting people who provide trans care to minors. 

After Musk bought X, then known as Twitter, in 2022, he rolled back the app’s protections for trans people, including a ban on using deadnames

Musk told Peterson that Wilson’s gender transition has been the motivation for his push into conservative politics. 

“I vowed to destroy the woke mind virus after that, and we’re making some progress,” he said. 

Wilson was also mentioned in a biography of Musk by author Walter Isaacson — a book that she told NBC News was inaccurate and unfair to her. The book refers to her politics as “radical Marxism,” quoting Musk’s sister-in-law Christiana Musk, but Wilson said she’s not a Marxist, though she said she does oppose wealth inequality. The book also calls her by her middle name, Jenna. 

Wilson said Isaacson never reached out to her directly ahead of publication. In a phone interview Thursday, Isaacson said he had reached out to Wilson through family members. 

Christiana Musk didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment Thursday.

Wilson told NBC News that for years she had considered speaking out about Musk’s behavior as a parent and as a person but that she could no longer remain silent after his comments Monday. 

She said she had never received an explanation for why her father spent so little time with her and her siblings — behavior that she now views as strange. 

“He was there, I want to say, maybe 10% of the time. That’s generous,” she said. “He had half custody, and he fully was not there.” 

“It was just a fact of life at the time, so I don’t think I realized just how abnormal of an experience it was,” she added.

Wilson said she came out twice in life: once as gay in eighth grade and a second time as transgender when she was 16. She said that she doesn’t recall Musk’s response the first time and that she wasn’t present when Musk heard from others that she was transgender, because by then the pandemic had started and she was living full-time with her mother. 

“She’s very supportive. I love her a lot,” Wilson said of her mom.

The pandemic was a chance to escape Musk’s cruelty, she said. 

“When Covid hit, I was like, ‘I’m not going over there,’” she said. “It was basically very lucky timing.” 

Musk told Peterson in the interview that he had been “tricked” into signing documents authorizing transgender-related medical treatment for Wilson — an allegation Wilson said isn’t true. 

“I was essentially tricked into signing documents for one of my older boys,” Musk said, using her birth name.

“This was before I had really any understanding of what was going on, and we had Covid going on,” he said, adding that he was told she might commit suicide.

Wilson said that, in 2020, when she was still a minor at 16, she wanted to start treatment for severe gender dysphoria but needed the consent of both parents under California law. She said that her mother was supportive but that Musk initially wasn’t. She said she texted him about it for a while. 

“I was trying to do this for months, but he said I had to go meet with him in person,” she said. “At that point, it was very clear that we both had a very distinct disdain for each other.” 

When she eventually went and gave him the medical forms, she said, he read them at least twice, once with her and then again on his own, before he signed them. 

“He was not by any means tricked. He knew the full side effects,” she said. 

She said she took puberty blockers before she switched to hormone-replacement therapy — treatments that she said were lifesaving for her and other transgender people. 

“They save lives. Let’s not get that twisted,” she said. “They definitely allowed me to thrive.” 

She said she believed the requirements to obtain such treatments remain onerous, with teenagers pressured to say they’re at extreme risk of self-harm before they’ll be approved. She said she felt judged by Musk and Peterson, in the Monday interview, for not being at a high enough risk in their eyes. 

“I have been basically put into a point where, to a group of people, I have to basically prove whether or not I was suicidal or not to warrant medically transitioning,” she said. “It’s absolutely mind-boggling.” 

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